Who needs a private School?

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Who needs a private School?

Postby bkhote on Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:25 pm

Hi,
I would like to start a discussion on why would one opt for a private school.
There are several reasons from my perspective.
1. Kids are hitting ceiling educationally.
2. Financially sound parents
3. Better education??
What puzzles me is that some parents think sending their kids to a private
school would make them smarter. Really?
I understand the first two reasons above but how much better? for the 3rd point above.
Does it really matters at a primary level?

I see some parents who were thinking about a private HS changed their decision after the new Tewksbury HS.
How much of this new HS would be a factor in this decision?

What is your opinion?

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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby ELLE on Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:33 pm

To get a different culture is a big reason. Private schools can expel kids that use drugs, are rude to staff, don't do their homework. Public schools can't. You can pick private schools that share your values with community service, athletics, and anything else. And private schools tend to be college prep exclusively for high school, if that is the goal you seek, you'd have a full class of peers. In addition the teachers are more willing to work extra hours to help students, not the "working to contract" and the other garbage that goes on with the union teachers. There's also the other things that may be important like smaller class sizes, more technology, more course offerings, the school's guidance staff, the school's reputation when it comes time to apply for college.

Public schools are fine for the top of the class because they are motivated and are over-achievers and for the bottom of the class because there are many things in place to aid these kids. It's the middle crowd that loses in public school, those that are lazy students or don't work to their potential. These, to me, are the kids that would benefit most from private school education.

But in the end, it's a private decision for each family to make.
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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby bigdaddy on Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:42 am

Here is my perspective

Think of Mass General Hospital

When you go there you expect the very best care.

Is every doctor rated an A+ (I doubt it)

Its the same for a private school

If you keep your child in the tewksbury system, Stay active and involved in there development, and follow up with teachers and specialists.

Your child will get a good education.

It may not sound fair but in any school system public or private there are teachers who are good but maybe not great.

Classrooms must be filled.

You cant have 30 in the great teachers class and 18 in the average teachers class

the parents that dont get involved and are not integrated into the school community will be placed in the less desirable spots.

Simple process of the squeaky wheel gets the oil

Just because it is a private school, it would work the same way

Tewksbury offers Honors classes at the High school level.

Those classes are comparative for the most part to private schools

The bottom line is dont rely on public or private schools to be your childs advocate, YOU ARE


My daughter graduated from Tewksbury High, Salem State University, and now has a job.


Just my humble opinion
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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby U8Coach on Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:10 am

I have been thinking about private HS. I am fortunate enough to have two years ahead of me to make a full assessment of the educational experience at the new TMHS before making any decision.

I have been contemplating one simple question over and over:

My daughter has straight A's. She is on the high side of "Proficient" on the MCAS. On the surface, I would expect a straight A student to score Above Proficient.

Based on that evidence a student who absorbs everything the Tewksbury Educational curriculum has to offer may not be educated to their full potential. I have talked to a couple other parents and they feel the same way. They also confirmed that a large number of students receive straight As and collectively they felt that this should be a rare achievement. I don't think this is an issue with Tewksbury per se, just an observation based on how we remember our education.

I am not advocating that we teach the kids to conquer the MCAS, I am very much against such a notion.

Mostly I am wondering if these kids are being pushed to reach their full potential or are they being taught to reach a certain plateau and then move on. Personally, I would rather see my daughters get Bs for a curriculum that is pushing them past their comfort zone than As for material that is not challenging them.
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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby ELLE on Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:00 am

U8Coach wrote: Personally, I would rather see my daughters get Bs for a curriculum that is pushing them past their comfort zone than As for material that is not challenging them.


This is the one that made me pull the trigger. Kids that are working in their comfort zone are not getting properly prepared for higher learning and the fast pace of college.
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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby bkhote on Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:53 pm

ELLE wrote:Public schools are fine for the top of the class because they are motivated and are over-achievers and for the bottom of the class because there are many things in place to aid these kids. It's the middle crowd that loses in public school, those that are lazy students or don't work to their potential. These, to me, are the kids that would benefit most from private school education.


Thanks for your response and for the above quoted interesting insight.

I agree, as I heard, for over-achievers, it actually works great if they are from not so reputed HS...is it true?.

I think, with the public school, parents would need to be more involved with kids' education.
As for me, I would do that no matter if my child is in the private school or not.
With the recent Zero-Tolerance policy( state law?) they don't have lot of complaints about discipline at the school
but I also agree that it is far from the environment at a private school.
And yes the public schools cant pick their students. I wish they group the ones who are sincere about their studies to
separate them from the not-so-motivated kids.

As U8coach said on this thread, we will wait and watch for the New HS's performance.. I hope our School System is reading these posts.
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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby Josh Lyman on Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:07 pm

after witnessing first hand on four different days throughout one month the abhorrent behavior, filthy mouths, and disrespect that Tewksbury high school teenagers display down at the Saunders fields, i have to say that public education and of course their parents just aren't giving a damn about the kids. very different behavior from kids from private or religion based schools i will tell you. if these numskulls are our future we are doomed.
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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby dduquette on Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:17 pm

Elle, I agree 100% on all the reasons you listed. U8Coach, your daughter sounds just like mine. She spent the entire 4th grade school year with her head in some book or other, oblivious to the rest of the class because she was told she could. She had straight As and was bored and there was nothing available to support that when there were 30+ other kids in a wide variety of levels to be taught. Was/Is she a child prodigy? No. You hear all the time about the kids who slip through the cracks because they are at a low academic level, have an unrecognized disability, or a behavioral issue, but what about the kids who make no noise, who sit quietly and perform well, but are nowhere near their potential? How long does it take for parents to figure that out, when they are getting rave reviews about their model child?

My daughter needs to be motivated, she doesn't have a lot of personal drive. She got really lazy and we got concerned. Short story she has been in private school since 5th grade and her grades are low As/high Bs, even an occasional eye-opening C. She's not at the top of her class any more but she knows things, and scores very well on measuring tests for whatever they are worth. I feel like she will come out of this better prepared and more able to adapt to what life will be like as an adult now that she's facing reality. It is true, her Tewksbury friends are learning the same material our of similar texts, but it's a different experience. She's expected to apply the knowledge, to problem-solve, to write essays and test assumptions. She can't rely on just having a good memory at the time the multiple choice test is presented.

Coincidentally my son is still in the Tewksbury schools and at the 5th grade awards last spring 2/3 of his class got high academic honors and most other classrooms were the same. So, like you said, either there really are that many brilliant young minds in town or it doesn't take much to get an A. I really can't believe it's the former when experience tells me it's the latter. So I'll be shopping for him too when the time comes, unless I see some changes. The new building is nice but does not do it for me.
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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby ELLE on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:57 am

And if you are going to pull the trigger and go to private school the time to do it is 7th grade and not 9th, although 9th turned out to be better than not at all. The reason I say this is we stayed for middle school because the Ryan experience was so great. The Wynn was 2 wasted years where much more learning could have been going on. Because of this, we started high school behind other kids and have been playing catch up ever since. To comment on dduquette's remark about 2/3 of the class being in high honors, my child was in the advanced math group at the Wynn, got straight A's, his teacher raved about the "math genius". During the high school placement tests the placement was in the 2nd level out of 4. The pace and the demands elsewhere are much greater. I will take the other side for one moment to say that the Wynn does have math club and things "available" outside the classroom that could have improved the math performance but the kids that choose to work "extra" once class is out are the same ones that will do fine staying right here in town. That wasn't my child.
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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby Livingston on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:16 am

Most people of this town don't necessarily need or even want a private school....they just want out of the Tewksbury Public School system.
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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby bkhote on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:57 pm

ELLE wrote: Wynn does have math club and things "available" outside the classroom that could have improved the math performance but the kids that choose to work "extra" once class is out are the same ones that will do fine staying right here in town. That wasn't my child.


One quick piece of info:
Wynn Middle School has a 'Math Team' where kids are exposed to the "advance" math concept compared to
the usual class that might be grooming them towards the MCAS... IMHO.
When I wrote "advance", I mean it, even after getting Masters Degree in Science.
This is an after school program at Wynn school and they also go for the inter-school math competition several times
in a year.
School bus takes students to the neighboring schools and bring them back to Wynn after the Math competitions.
On some occasions, Wynn hosts these events.

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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby bkhote on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:58 pm

Livingston wrote:Most people of this town don't necessarily need or even want a private school....they just want out of the Tewksbury Public School system.


And the possible reason is...?

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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby Baxter on Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:45 pm

Are private school teachers unionized? Maybe this is one reason people go private.
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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby bkhote on Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:51 am

Sure. But then that should be applicable to most of the "Public Schools".
I was trying to understand why "out of the **Tewksbury** Public School".
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Re: Who needs a private School?

Postby Josh Lyman on Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:09 am

As the US continues to fall in academic standings vs the world, those of you who continue to protect and defend the liberal way have already lost. I guess obvious world wide results aren't enough for those of you. Dumbing down tests to make students look smarter, MCAS, is not making the kids smarter.
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