Prop. 2 1/2 override

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Prop. 2 1/2 override

Postby HAR on Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:15 am

I think it's time to take a poll.

Are you for the Proposition 2 1/2 override or are you against it?

Why? (Please try to be brief)
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Postby nana8 on Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:47 am

Against, can barely afford to live in my home now!!!
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Postby tigerchief on Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:19 am

Against....an overrride, is nothing but a short term solution to a much bigger and ongoing problem.

The town finances have been in shambles for years. Voting for an override, only helps the PTB to continue avoiding the real problem!!!!

Mike Flynn's data says it all imo....
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Postby ELLE on Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:41 am

For... as long as we fold in accountability for the future. The problems have been negotiated into contracts so you can't fix it going backwards, only forwards. Let's cleanup the mess and then make sure it stays clean. Our taxes are still relatively low.
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Postby Rabib on Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:59 am

Against, sending money into a black hole will fix nothing. Fix the problem, then come and ask for help.

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Postby benkjn on Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:32 am

Against, money doesn't fux the problem
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Postby mike_flynn on Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:09 am

I am for overrides and/or debt exemptions for only those additional expenses that are actually beyond the town's control:

Health Care and Fuel - For an Override: If these expenses are really growing at a rate faster than Proposition 2-1/2 limitations, why doesn't the town ask for an override for any demonstrable increases? My guess is that this is just a smokescreen.

Additional Teachers - For an Override: Even though teachers have been let go to support bloated salaries for the survivors, what’s done is done. I am for an override to hire just enough teachers to attain reasonable class sizes.

Furniture - For a Debt Exemption: Replacing old furniture is not an ordinary expense.

Computers – AGAINST a Debt Exemption: All of the schools, not just the High School, should have enough money in their operating budgets to upgrade 20% of the computers every year. If we approve this debt exemption request, it will set a bad precedent and all of the schools will jump on the bandwagon in subsequent years.

FY07 School REQUESTED Budget - AGAINST an Override: The school department should first negotiate with the unions beginning this July for the best that they can do. Prove to the taxpayers that salaries and benefits are under control, and as a last resort, come back to us at the Fall Special Town Meeting to request an override.
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Postby moretpani on Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:50 pm

nana8

Against, can barely afford to live in my home now!!!


I am sorry to hear that.
Did you vote for the Senior Center NANA???
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Postby 12345 on Sat Apr 22, 2006 4:15 pm

Hey moretpani.........just cuz she's a NANA....does that mean she's a Senior??????????????
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Postby DaveP on Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:06 pm

Against the override! IMO, if the override passes it would be an affirmation that Cressman and his cronies can continue to screw the townsfolk and when the crap hits the fan(School Budget), we will just throw more money at him.

If the override fails, I will indeed feel remorse for all those negatively affected BUT I believe a line in the sand must be drawn...we can't continue throw $$ at Cressman because he can't properly manage our town! He's a tumor that needs to be removed [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img]
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Postby nana8 on Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:17 pm

As a matter of fact, I did NOT vote for the Senior Center. Must you try to undermine almost anybody that responds to these sites? Which school do you work in? Maybe you do not own your own home, that would explain your indifference to we that are having a difficult time keeping up with all increases, no matter where they come from. Have a nice day!
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Postby LilRicky on Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:23 pm

For, only to hire the additional teachers needed to bring class room size managable.
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Postby barney on Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:56 pm

Still trying to decide how to vote, however I did some comparing between 2003 and 2005 (dont have the 2004 annual report) at my favorite pet peeve, and the deptI am shocked the U25 group didnt go after, the REC DEPT!

2003 salaries: $197k
2005 salaries: $368k AN INCREASE OF $171k OR 47%!!!!!!!

Where is the outrage? It should be noted that in this period at 2 employees came over from the DPW, but even accounting for that, it is still an increase of over $51k (or 1 teacher's salary). The next step I will take is to look at the DPW collecttive salaries over the same period to see if there was a savings from this personnel shuffle (my guess is no.)

BTW, looks like Roy and his assistant got salary increases of about 23% over this time period.

Can I really be the only one that thinks this is a dept that is TOTALLY unnecessary???
Feedback, please. Not you Tiger, I know Roy's got you drinking the Kool Aid!
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Postby Mcro on Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:15 pm

Against, Mainly because desk, tables, and chairs dont effect the education of students. They don't teach enough computer programs to warrent updateing them. The ones they have can connect to the internet for research a drafting program and run microsoft word /excel, thats all they need.
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Postby rnmom9496 on Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:48 pm

This is so disheartening. I have to say I'm still on the fence. As a parent I'd like to vote yes on an override, although I don't have confidence the 'powers that be' would use the monies wisely, unfortunately the track record is speaking loudly. The 'powers that be' have shown there's a lack of forward thinking (I mean beyond next year),which with an override is something that would greatly benfit the schools and town in general. My parents always said 'you can't spend what you don't have' but somehow it would appear Mr. Cressman has been doing just that.
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